Camila: Ill explain: El Tiempo is one of the most important newspapers in the country and Telfono Rosa is a news section or rather, a gossip section about celebrities in Colombia that comes out once a week, every Sunday. Those who stole the work can suffer penalties ranging from 6 to 20 years, as well as those who commit the crime of handling stolen goods, meaning, buying this stolen good, could get 4 to 12 years in jail. Synopsis. That robbery. Pages. From all over the world. This narrative prospective is there so you feel bad for Damaso, however he is not respectful of his wife, and instead, is full of himself. They said that the file on the robbery had been placed in whats called a provisional file. He took out six dollars and paid the shopkeeper. Camila: And, Daniel, do you know what Transmilenio is? He looked at me quietly with this terrified look on his face but he didnt talk to me. what happened?. More than double what the supervisor told me. Before we go back to our story I want to tell you about another NPR podcast, one about music, called Alt.Latino. Because that creates insecurity. But on Friday, six days after the robbery, lvaro was in his bookstore, working, when a friend called him and said: Its just that my dad heard it did. Supervisor: They told us: Alright, listen up. Yes, very weird. When he returns, she asks him what they are good for and he replies, to play billiards. Camila: When David found out that the story was already all over the media, he got fair security on the phone, a retired colonel. Yes, 120 million. Edgar: I ran to the door and told the security guards that from that moment on no one could leave without being searched. Thanks to la Productora Snica, Sandra Acero and Jos Luis Pearedonda. Its called NPR One and it offers the best from public radio and beyond. I told them about the story I was doing and that I wanted to interview the lieutenant. I hope you find the book. And I started to cry. Which is to say, it would be nice if all of the cases the police handled where recommended cases and they were just as efficient when they deal with the robbery of an average, ordinary citizen. One of them is The Golden Cock. But my phone doesnt even have a data plan and the fair didnt have wifi and all that. They were asking me, Where did you get the book, how much did it cost, how did Garca Mrquez inscribe it for you, why did he inscribe it for you, where were you, who had the keys? And I said, Me, I was the only one who had them. How do you know you are the only one? Because they told me I was the only one.. Your purchase helps support NPR programming. That there must have been some boss yelling at someone: this has to be found because its getting found. Then someone did something. Acesta este unul dintre putinele filme Fox care continua produsul sub proprietatea Disney. In 1975, the world's most important sorcerers. 174 times the minimum wage, enough to buy, I dont know, a small apartment in the southern part of Bogot. But well, moving past the technicalities, when lvaro arrived at the stand he was really impressed to see all of these people, including criminologists who were dusting for fingerprints. He tweets at @itsjuanlove. Very hard. That robbery. Daniel Alarcn: Did you know NPR has an app? I, well, I turned one. 08:37 I dont know I dont know anything. Paint is peeling off the walls and sometimes you get the feeling that the building is abandoned. Corral was a thirty-second shootout between lawmen led by Virgil Earp and members of a loosely organized group of outlaws called the Cowboys that occurred at about 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, Arizona Territory, United States.It is generally regarded as the most famous shootout in the history of the American Old West. Then he wrote the facts: when it was stolen and recovered, and it ends with this: Today, May 14th 2015, I am handing it over to the National Library of Colombia so that it may remain there and serve as a symbol of gratitude for all Colombians. Having found the book in record time was a victory for the police: only six days after the report was filed. Camila: Not knowing what he was going to do, Edgar put the box in storage and ordered that no one touch it. He was tired, he hadnt been sleeping well and he could hear his phone going off, even when no one was calling. The books on display. David: I mean, its just not right. Listen to your favorite songs from Memory Changes by There Are No Thieves In This Town Now. Daniel: Of course, everyone understands how valuable that book is. Camila: Basically what he is saying is what all of us Colombians already know more or less: that the police give priority to cases involving more important people, people with money, famous people. I went out right away, I stood in front of the display case and shouted Edgar!. "Diary of a Shipwrecked Sailor. There WERE no thieves in this town, he corrected them emphasizing on each word, but after the media attention, there will be, he added. Daniel: As if it were an ambulance or something. His desk was called the "Cave of the Mafia"; there, he worked for eight to ten hours a day for eighteen months. So he said ah well, Ill sell it to you for six dollars. In that part of the city-center, there are several blocks filled with stands that for years have been selling books, mostly used books. My name is Luca Fernanda Buitrago Montaez. What Edgar cared about was getting the scumbag who stole the first edition of, I thought a lot of people looked suspicious. Well, as far as I know, the only book by Garca Mrquez that was stolen was that one. Its a decrepit building. He stopped in front of the display, saw that the book was missing and put his hands on his head. It starts with a call from David Roa to lvaro Castillo. Camila: And well, Im telling you all this, Daniel, because I sat there for almost two hours and I couldnt believe how much bureaucracy I had to deal with. I would feel unworthy of standing in this place that was his if I were not fully aware that the colossal tragedy he refused to recognize thirty-two years ago is now, for the first time since the beginning of humanity, nothing more than a simple scientific possibility. The display cases where they were being displayed had been set up by pavilion organizers. It says: I bought this copy of One Hundred Years of Solitude in Montevideo, Uruguay. You guys who are going to be downtown, a book by Gabriel Garca Mrquez was stolen in one of those bookstores, so you need to get in touch with your contacts about it.. Like great, now what? I spoke with press chiefs, commanders and lieutenants. But I think many of us were left with a lot of questions. There was a major, there was a colonel, there was a captain from the Heritage department, there was an officer from the SIJIN and from the DIJIN. Camila: Edgar thought that not much time had passed between when they had been robbed and when they noticed. Which means the news wouldnt come out for another seven days. The books had cards with bibliographic information. Even after dozens of conversations with the lieutenant, even though I carried with me a signed authorization, at one point I came to think that I was going to leave that place without an interview. Those were tears of joy. Story Summary: "There Are No Thieves in This Town" Damaso, a 20-year-old man returns at dawn to the small room he shares with his wife, Ana, who is six months pregnant. Consuelo Gaitn: Well, this is just a meeting that came out of an unfortunate circumstance but has a fortunate ending. There came a moment when I lost faith in thinking that the book would turn up if I kept searching people. Penguin. Daniel: Of course, at that moment they arent going to stop any petty thief whos shoplifting new books. Camila: The lieutenants desk was the same as the others. Instead I said, yes, of course.. . I got there to see what was going on. Daniel: How come they hadnt even filed a complaint? Luca, for example, said this to me: Well, it doesnt make sense that the police, knowing who was involved, didnt hold anyone accountable for anything, right? Camila: He insisted that the book was important. Here, he delves into themes of corruption and censorship like the poet-journalist he was. This story is about a thief named Damaso. Their exchange is a short one, yet as power is reversed and the mayor occupies a vulnerable position, it effectively highlights the role of manipulation in a corrupt society. lvaro: Im calling to inform you that the book has been found.. And when David told him that, lvaro. Supervisor: I mean, a lot of years are going to go by but the case isnt going to close. If Luca is calling me, its because its important. Hold on. I said, the worst thing for Luca has to be the worst of the worst of the worst., Luca: And David says, what? Perhaps the greatest. They put out an all-points bulletin and somehow discovered I dont know how that the book was going to be taken out of the country. Camila: And then people would be a little more cooperative. Edgar figures around 300 people or thereabouts. Were you able to figure out how much it would really cost? Daniel: But that was on Sunday, right? And on top of that, the bookstore was going to be at the exit of the Macondo Pavilion, which was clearly the most important one at the fair. Don't miss out on an interactive map that shows the book's journey throughout Latin America: David: Well, I was totally happy And scared. Dont tell me theres another one. The ones that have a restricted lane. He was at en event at his bookstore when he found out the news was everywhere. lvaro: And in Montevideo I really like to walk down a street called Calle Tristn Narvaja, which is a street that is full of secondhand bookstores. Nobody. lvaro: They put out an all-points bulletin and somehow discovered I dont know how that the book was going to be taken out of the country. David: I mean, at that point I was much more worried and I really wanted to go figure out what had happened with the police because I was really worried that this was going to turn into a big story in the media and we hadnt even filed a report. everything you need to sharpen your knowledge of Collected Stories. When I saw the hole, it took less than a second to look over the books and realize it was that book: it was. Luca: So I didnt take them out. Daniel: Camila Segura is the senior editor at Radio Ambulante. In 14 days, 520 thousand visitors came to the fair, more than 70 thousand more than the previous year. Supervisor: We have a lot of contact with a number of merchants, lets call them, the good and the bad ones. Daniel: Thats a big deal. Now that I think about it, it really was a flimsy lock. This very same box. At other times he worked as an editor and once did publicity for the J. Walter Thompson office in Mexico City. In April of this year, 2016, almost a year after his book was recovered, lvaro got some news from the attorney generals office. He asked Is this your book?. The album is a majestically chaotic tapestry held together by moments of sweet serenity blended into gales of noise and disharmony. Camila: And of course, the business owners dont want their clients to get robbed. Camila: Edgar thought that someone who worked there had taken it but Luca explained that lvaro was the only one with the key. I answered, Hello?. Camila: He took out six dollars and paid the shopkeeper. What the loss of this book meant to the country. You guys who are going to be downtown, a book by Gabriel Garca Mrquez was stolen in one of those bookstores, so you need to get in touch with your contacts about it.. If they had bags from another store, we asked them to open them. We investigate all kinds of crimes dealing with kidnapping and theft in all its forms. There are no ghosts, no gypsies. There are some details that certainly, for now. lvaro: He said, I cant believe it. is one of the most important newspapers in the country and Telfono Rosa is a news section or rather, a gossip section about celebrities in Colombia that comes out once a week, every Sunday. 100 Hundred Years of Solitude was published initially in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1967 by Editorial Sudamericana. On social media you could read things like: User 1: Thats why this country is backwards. And I added a note to the book which I wrote on the first page. 1996. So they started to cause a kind of traffic jam. This novella about a hapless colonel eagerly awaiting his pension is far from the magical realism Garcia Marquez became so popular for. Presenter: And some rather discouraging news is coming to us from the culture page. Why would the theft of a single book mean so much to a country like Colombia? Then the guy abandoned the book and they retrieved it at a store. And they decided to act. I mean, yes, the book was found and everything was well and good. David: Its that kind of moment when you put yourself in the third person and say, what now? Camila: Just then the squad car arrived to pick up lvaro. Why? Camila: lvaro just arranged the books and made a verbal agreement with David that lvaro was the only person who could touch his books. He looked at me quietly with this terrified look on his face but he didnt talk to me. Also, lvaro was the only person with the keys to the cases. confidential And what about that figure, that they were going to sell it for 120 million or something like that? Thank you for listening to Radio Ambulante. They didnt give lvaro a lot of details either. Comedy. Two booksellers from Bogot. A film adaptation of "There Are No Thieves in This Town" is released. Well, obviously I wasnt going to get in an argument with him and say, no, what are you talking about?. Those were tears of joy. Edgar: Under regular security procedure, they shouldve informed the police. They, meaning fair security. Camila: But if they do capture someone, then it will close. And you start to feel like a thief, like youre the one whos guilty, because of the interrogation. Daniel: And where is the book today, Camila? And as soon as I got there Luca told me weve been robbed. wasnt the only one that lvaro had acquired in his life. And they indicated to us more or less where the guys were going to meet. So a senator is robbed, a minister is robbed, someone steals I dont know, the cellphone of a private secretary at the ministry. Edgar explained what was going on and asked him to get in contact with the fairs security immediately. One of his stories, "There are No Thieves in This Town," was filmed by an experimental group for presentation at the 1965 Locarno Film Festival. No one did. She had sustained them by borrowing from friends, paying for groceries on monthly installments, and not paying any rent to the landlord for six months. Camila: Sort of. Camila: Then they told him he had to go to a press conference. In his Nobel lecture in Stockholm, he declared: "This, my friends, is the very scale of our solitude . I could tell that it was deeply painful for him because his eyes were watering and his mouth was trembling. Taking out the cards, like they were shit to me, and leaving them on the desk. The worst. Paint is peeling off the walls and sometimes you get the feeling that the building is abandoned. Everything was very strange. Camila: lvaro told Edgar that he was going to take the rest of the books and told him to bring a box. They asked the police in that sector for help. Camila: Of course, but the book hadnt been appraised, it didnt have a price. For all of his accolades and awards, Garcia Marquez never got too comfortable in his success. Camila: Edgar said something similar to me: Edgar: The fact that the culprit was never found gives me the feeling that things were done a little like the whole thing wasnt so transparent. In 1984, in the small Chilean city of Villa Alemana, Our ninth season is just one week away! Everything was very strange. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. Did you know NPR has an app? Camila: This is the vice-attorney general at the time, Juan Vicente Valbuena. I asked the supervisor if that meant they werent looking for the culprits anymore. Hey Hey Bad Day (Bonus) There Are No Thieves In This Town. Camila: More than a year ago, in May 2015. There are some details that certainly, for now. Find Alt.Latino on the NPR One app and at npr.org/podcasts. What a country. Camila: But Luca is the kind of person who almost never calls. . Daniel: Welcome to Radio Ambulante, from NPR. Camila: The thing is, they found the book but not the thief. And it lasted for about half an hour until. There was a very diligent group of police. For instance, people started coming up with really crazy and sometimes very disrespectful theories. Neither floods nor plagues, nor famines nor cataclysms, nor even the eternal wars of century upon century have been able to subdue the persistent advantage of life over death. Supervisor: So I spend a lot of time with them because sometimes theyre victims of the gangs that operate downtown too. When they get on the highway, near the neighborhood, one of the police officers says: Supervisor: There are some guys down there.. Everything was very melodramatic. lvaro: And a boy who was somewhere between 10 and 12 years old comes up to me and says hey, arent you the one they stole the book from?. lvaro told Edgar that he was going to take the rest of the books and told him to bring a box. And when I turned my head and looked, I saw a first edition of. He picked up his satchel and left. Everyones spirits were as low as they could be. It drew universal critical acclaim and won the Prix du Meilleur Livre Etranger in France in 1969; that same year it also won Italy's coveted literary award, the Premio Chianciano. The inscription says: To lvaro Castillo, the book peddler, like yesterday and as always, from your friend Gabriel. Camila: lvaro still didnt tell anyone anything. Others said they couldnt speak because they believed they were about to catch the group that had stolen the book. And it was the first time the ACLI was in charge of the bookstore at the fair. It says: I bought this copy of One Hundred Years of Solitude in Montevideo, Uruguay. Im Daniel Alarcn. Fuentes was so impressed that he wrote to a Mexican magazine: "I have just finished reading the first seventy-five pages of Cien Aos de Soledad. When he had finished the novel, his wife informed him that they owed twelve thousand dollars. And they came with four or five motorcycles. We went up to the directors office and he showed me the eight boxes of first editions, the other books, magazines and newspaper clippings he was going to donate. I mean, we must be certain of that. It involves a poor, unlicensed dentist, Aurelio Escovar, who is called upon by the village mayor to remove an infected tooth. He didnt give a lot of details about how the operation went. to doze (verb) to sleep lightly. He had sold the rest, but the one at the fair was special because it had been signed by Gabo. Im calling David. Camila: According to what the supervisor told me, 50 million pesos. Camila: The assistant of General Palomino, the chief of police, was calling him. I knew this was a very serious problem but what I was worried about was the institutional issue. And I started at the most obvious place: The National Police. Camila: His friend asked him to tell her everything in detail. Press Chief: Major, but the book that was stolen at the last Book Fair? Supervisor: Im an investigator with SIJINs anti-theft group. Did they close the case? But I think many of us were left with a lot of questions. So I started to feel really really bad. Which is to say, it would be nice if all of the cases the police handled where recommended cases and they were just as efficient when they deal with the robbery of an average, ordinary citizen. Were talking about a lot of money. I spoke with press chiefs, commanders and lieutenants. In this context it means something like ridiculous. Camila: Yes, very weird. lvaro: I was in total disbelief. Some news outlets, for example, said that they had found it inside of a house and others said it was at a street stand. The shopkeeper pointed out where it was. Camila: No, she felt it was more important to stick to the agreement they had made with lvaro. He had sold the rest, but the one at the fair was special because it had been signed by Gabo. Camila: Yes, up to 20 years. lvaro went back to his house. Silvia Vias and I edited this story with the help of Martina Castro. How long were they at it? It was translated into English by Gregory Rabassa, a winner of the National Book Award for his translation of Julio Cortzar's Hopscotch. Yes. I should say something and do something very meaningful so it seems like Im doing something. Its like really absurd because it was like, not this, this is bigger than me and I have no idea what Im going to do. Because that creates insecurity. They even had to accompany her outside, so she could cry out there. Publisher. lvaro wanted it that way, as an official public act. What he did say was that the book had been prepared to be sold when it was discovered. But he hadnt even thought about the media. But the supervisor put it better. She awakens and he puts a small bundle in her lap while he goes to the bathroom. Smoke Rings (2k16 version) [Bonus] There Are No Thieves In This Town. It was the second time I cried. So, of course, for lvaro, if the news came from La Lucirnaga it had to be a joke. Camila: Well, not quite. And he opened the box and there was the book. What does that mean? A lot of people found that absurd. He then accuses him of taking 200 pesos, which he never actually took. Camila: Today it is in the collections section, along with the other more valuable books in the National Library. Major: Well, as far as I know, the only book by Garca Mrquez that was stolen was that one. David: I said, lvaro, youre not going to believe it but I think Im happier than you are.. I was in total disbelief. He wanted the whole thing to be over, so early that week he called Consuelo Gaitn, the director of the National Library, and told her: Please, I want to make this donation really, really quickly. In 1970, the novel was chosen as one of the twelve best books of the year by many American critics; in 1972, Garca Mrquez won the Rmulo Gallegos Prize in Venezuela and the Books Abroad/Neustadt International Prize for Literature. Thanks for listening. Yes. Well, obviously I wasnt going to get in an argument with him and say, no, what are you talking about?. Camila: We went up to the directors office and he showed me the eight boxes of first editions, the other books, magazines and newspaper clippings he was going to donate. . Like the idea that there was something weird about this version of the story. The one he had loaned the book to. They radioed the poor police officer. Daniel: And at this point what is David doing? Based on a short story by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, in which he narrates the misadventures of people living in a small town that discovers that the billiard balls have disappeared from the only center of . Camila: No. Supervisor: A relevant case is when a person is robbed and that person has some important societal status. Camila: Yes, 120 million. Listen to music by There Are No Thieves In This Town on Apple Music. I mean, a lot of years are going to go by but the case isnt going to close. But the supervisor started to check other areas to see if they had been offering the book as well. He held a press conference just to talk about the incident. It was like if delivering the book was matter of life or death. Camila: As soon as he got off the phone with the police, he called David. Its the only version I have of what happened. When I went out to eat breakfast, I also went by the bookstore. It was around eight at night by the time he went to Macondo to get his books. 0 Ratings 6 Want to read; 0 Currently reading; 0 Have read; There are No Thieves in This Town. This very same box. So it occurred to him to call a journalist friend who worked at El Tiempo. He remembers it well. Supervisor: Yes, it is a provisional file. And the protocol goes on and on. Edgar: He stopped in front of the display, saw that the book was missing and put his hands on his head. Not a computer or a telephone or a photo. He asked Is this your book?. Camila: Exactly. The 1975 film The Legend of Lizzie Borden was an example of this. There are No Thieves in This Town. The rest of the Radio Ambulante team includes Luis Trelles, Fe Martnez, Elsa Liliana Ulloa, Barbara Sawhill, and Caro Rolando. Daniel: Or rather, they dont close But they get filed away? 20 years in prison for stealing a book? So the case with the book was clearly recommended. And I said yes, I am. And the boy gave me a hug and said, Im so sorry. But I dont think the bit about the price is so important. And then people would be a little more cooperative. Supervisor: When they said, hey, come here, sargeant. Whats going on, man? Theyre trying to sell that book. What? Yeah. And who are they? I dont know, theyre some guys from La Perseverancia.. They questioned and doubted everything I said. They were like CSI or something. However no one will believe Damaso at this point. Supervisor: It was around 8:30, 9:00 in the morning. Its that very same feeling that Edgar had. And I dont want to tell him, but I have to. David hung up with Luca and it took him about 10 minutes to call lvaro. Damaso gets whats coming to him in the end. Start studying There Are No Thieves in THIS Town, No One Writes to the Colonel Set 3, pp. Juan Vicente Valbuena: The Attorney General considers the theft of Gabriel Garca Mrquez work a serious attack on our cultural heritage. He brought a satchel to carry the books, since he thought if he left with the box people would say he was the thief. Learn more about Radio Ambulante and this story by visiting our website: radioambulante.org. lvaro: They were like CSI or something. They gave it back to me in this little box. Camila: He told me that every Monday morning, the nearly 1,300 men in the SIJIN gather in a square downtown and do what he calls a developments check, in other words, they are updated on that weeks investigations. And well, now I have to introduce you to two more people. Its that kind of moment when you put yourself in the third person and say, what now? An alternative approach to traditional music. Hey man, you heard anything? No, man.. He wanted the whole thing to be over, so early that week he called Consuelo Gaitn, the director of the National Library, and told her: lvaro: Please, I want to make this donation really, really quickly. Yes, it is massive. They radioed the poor police officer. Garca Mrquez says that he again began writing, "straight off without a break, and afterwards made a great many corrections on the manuscript, made copies, and corrected it again." And well, Palomino made the official delivery of the book to lvaro in front of all of the media, and then let him speak. And on top of that, the bookstore was going to be at the exit of the Macondo Pavilion, which was clearly the most important one at the fair. I have the worst news you could imagine. I said, this is really funny. Others, including the supervisor, realize that something had dropped to the ground: a box. This book belongs to my country and Im going to donate it to the Colombian National Library because from the moment that most Colombians showed their scorn for this act, it became part of everyones heritage. That was the first year the invited country was a fictional place: Macondo. And Ill explain a little: David was in charge of the Macondo stall at the Bogot Book Fair. Nobody. Camila: The display cases where they were being displayed had been set up by pavilion organizers. Yes, those. Rodolfo Palomino: We have accomplished something very important, very important. lvaro: Edgar didnt talk to me at all. You won't find any mention of levitation or flying carpets or crocodile children. Discover the stars who skyrocketed on IMDb's STARmeter chart this year, and explore more of the Best of 2022; including top trailers, posters, and photos. We are calling from who knows where, who knows where. They called me from Mexico, Argentina, Europe, France, Spain. Camila: Thousands upon thousands of people were going to go through there. And I would tell them A first edition of. I spoke with an appraiser who told me that the book couldnt have sold for more than 10 thousand dollars, 12 thousand at most. They look at #5. It does, however, bring to our attention the author's grasp on subtlety, on. Weve got a recommended case here. I think that was the only time I showed any anger. 82. Camila: Well, thats exactly what I wanted to know. That Monday was the last day of the fair. lvaro needed a moment before he could start the interview. He showed me the inscription and then he showed me something else. Those who stole the work can suffer penalties ranging from 6 to 20 years, as well as those who commit the crime of handling stolen goods, meaning, buying this stolen good, could get 4 to 12 years in jail. And that General Palomino wanted to deliver it to him in person. Their number? I dont know, those guys came to sell the book but they are asking for a lot.. Thats a bit excessive, dont you think? Daniel: And what about that figure, that they were going to sell it for 120 million or something like that? Camila: In other words, he wasnt just worried about how he was going to pay for the book, but also about what would become of the association. Camila: The police started questioning everyone. 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