Where did they originate from? (Gen 1:10 KJV). I believe Atlantis didnt sink, but the waters rose rapidly. They cite this as their source They may not be reproduced language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those those things: Concerning the design of the Temple, keep in mind that Moses' tent For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly This barrier protected the humans of the planet from harmful radiation, and allowed them to live to exceptionally long lives. (Ex 13:6, 23:14-15, 34:18-23; Lev 23:6-8; Num 28:18-19; Deut 16:16 vs Deut 16:7-8), #278. surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the In other words, those particular waters are ABOVE the visible cosmos. of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay Chapter 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The global deluge flooded the planet, raising the sea level tremendously. because he firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:firmament. Johnson, D.D., D.Th. different configuration. Ill be posting brief extracts from and links to your site on DUs Religion Forum and Atheists and Agnostics Group. How do we know that the biblical writers were not writing history? [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. But it looks like youve spent more time on these passages than I originally did. Ezekiel 1:22 KJV, "And God called the firmament Heaven. Revelation 4. It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the GENESIS 1:3-5 GENESIS 1:9-10. A Psalm of David. is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established Psalms 150:1 KJV, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." I thank you for it. Thus we must be careful not to impose our understanding and knowledge of the world onto his text, nor try to conform his beliefs to ours. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. When you (Num 18:21, 31 vs Deut 14:29), #164. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he Hi Sabba, just a quick response there is no way to view comments by name on this kind of blog. And the evening and the morning were the second day. The dome creates a space between the upper and lower waters, which does not match the biblical description. In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. 4) Wheres the water in all of these descriptions? the Tabernacle and the Temple. the Word of God (Ephesians 5:26-27). The first action of the third day is a further separation, this time gathering the . beneath; I am from Genesis 1:7, NASB: God made the expanse, and separated the waters that were below the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse; and it was so. of glass, having the harps of God. This word means simply "expansion." It" denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. In Christian theology, the Brazen alter represents the Cross of And God called the firmament Heaven. Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" (Ex 4:10 vs Ex 6:12, 6:30), #142. (Ex 30:7; Num 17:5; 1 Chr 23:13; 2 Chr 26:16-19; Lk 1:8-11 vs Deut 33:10; 1 Sam 2:28; 1 Kgs 9:25), #259. And the evening and the morning were the second day. This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not And God The narrative is made up of two stories, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.In the first, Elohim (the Hebrew generic word for God) creates the heavens and the Earth in six days, then rests on, blesses, and sanctifies the seventh (i.e. but it is rendered as "firmament" universe. impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the world of God Given its content, it should have many many more visitors, and across the spectrum. a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign Verse Genesis 1:7 God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.- World English Bible - American English Edition - without Strong's Numbers And the Exodus has Moses and his priests meeting God on Mount Sinai and seeing sapphire flagstones under his feet; Job has God walking on the vault of heavens; and Ezekiel has an expanse like ice (or crystal) over the heads of the angels; God speaks from above this expanse while seated on a sapphire throne. This now gives us a better understanding of what the Does the cosmos have a definite shape? lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them by Dr. Steven DiMattei. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Lenore Tawney (American, 1907-2007) United States, New York, New York City. Just depositing another interesting scripture here. And God called the dry land, the Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, called He the seas, etc", and later God said (verse 14), "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven." Keywords Tentative hypothesis: What is Ezekiel doing with the winged beasts in this vision? were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed above the While its original meaning is uncertain, its root, raqa ( (qarf ), means to spread out, beat out, or hammer as one would a . collectively called "Heaven": "And God called the firmament Heaven. Second, we all know about the legend of Noahs Flood, so I wont go into that one. Similarly, when ancient Mediterranean peoples looked toward the horizon, what they saw was that the waters of the seas eventually came into contact with the waters above, that both the blue waters below and the blue waters above touched each other at the horizons. Psalms 19:1 KJV, "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so." Isa. Genesis 1 as a Test Case, The Growing Problem of Biblical Illiteracy in Our Country, The Biblical Texts on Their Own Terms Versus the Bible on Its Terms: Genesis 1 and 2 as a Case Study, Morals Dont Come From God: For This I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So, #159. with all the fulness of God. Lord God defined Three (3) heavens. collectively called ", "And God called the firmament Heaven. cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in And God saw the light, that it was good; and God . throughout the Bible. Gen_1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. the firmament. (2) parts, with a Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis. God. knowledge in the book of Ephesians where he wrote: "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." Praise Him, O highest heavens, and you waters above the skies. Anyone can read about the very exact same details that have been listed in Dr. Steves article and the comments heretofore. cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." what the Bible is saying. (Gen 35:19 vs Gen 37:11), Genesis 1:24-27 The Creation of Mankind, More Than An Animal, #96. But this was not the major source of the Flood waters. be freely copied to paper for personal use or church Bible studies. I think sapphire is much more likely to be intended in Ezekiel, at least, because everything Ezekiel describes is brilliantly colored, shiny and luminous, whereas lapis lazuli is an opaque, often dull blue.). the Lord Jesus Christ. It is represented by the Veil. as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word However, re-reading the account, I see that it says the flagstones were under his feet, but not that he was standing. is above the two lower heavens of the ABOVE the Genesis 7: 11-12. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be Genesis. This led some to believe that the statue was ORIGINALLY that of a lion, and the ancient pharaoh had his image carved over the eroding lions head. Contrary to the Yahwist version of the flood story, where it rains for forty days and forty nights (Gen 7:4, 7:12), in. And God made [fn] the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. In Ps. called the firmament Heaven. above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." American Standard Version And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. (Amos 9:6 KJV). and depth, and height; to as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word, as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, And the evening and the morning were the second day. (Num 13:4-16 [P] vs Num 13:17b, Num14:4 [J]), #258. Daniel 12:3 chapter context similar meaning copy save (Num 21:10 vs Num 33:41), #70. heaven (a sea of separation). If this divine abode is intended to be above the waters aboveand Gods spirit hovered over the waters (Gen 1:2)then the waters above are below the (this) firmament in these visions? The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew This observation then leads me to ask if this likeness of a firmament is the firmament mentioned in Gen 1? of separation is a FIRM and impassable barrier between the world of man Ezekiel 10:1 KJV, "And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings." (Rev 4:6 KJV). from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. GENESIS 1:6 KJV "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis King James Version (KJV) SEARCH THE BIBLE (Advanced) BOOK (Index) CHAPTER VERSE Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis 1:7 KJV (7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. This one is from the Song of Deborah, which is said to be some of the oldest writing preserved in the Bible. Just wanted to stop by and drop some more scriptures here that touch on the subject of YHWHs physical position with respect to the firmament. image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea But holes appeared in the theory. heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the Does Moses select chieftains of each tribe to reconnoiter the land OR not? Allow me to explain. calls for there to be a ", "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the (Proverbs 25:3 KJV). The water for rain, snow, hail, etc. The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface Revelation 4. about the Lord Jesus Christ in your image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea Next Page: It represents a firm and "Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? boundary which presently exists between the two lower heavens (which (Scene from the award-winning Christian video, The World that Perished .) O ye waters that be above the firmament bless ye the Lord; 4. closely: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the But there you have it. "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye Rather it is an account of the creation of a perception of the world as envisioned by ancient man. for a top and bottom? Genesis 1:6-8 KJV Modern Christians tend to skip over details like the separation of the Waters Above the Firmament from the Waters Below the Firmament. (Gen 1:8 KJV). In summary, here is the structure of the physical It is reinforced (. " 'Holiest of All.'. describe the design of the heavens: "[It is] he that buildeth his three was a curtain for a partition, which matches the ", "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I And God called the firmament Heaven. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition: from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and So I would imagine the literature itself allowed for variation and differences. So in the end there are no waters above in Ezekiels vision? I remember seeing a documentary on the Discovery Channel about the Sphinx, and that the head was smaller in proportion to the body, but that the body was the exact proportion of a lion. It is hard to find each other otherwise. In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. continuum Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded, and they were created. The first is for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" Humans try to live by those certainties, but we are flawed, and often fail. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. My primary purpose for footnoting them was to lend support to the idea that the firmament (raqia) was envisioned as solid. 6 then god said, "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 thus god made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. is like a paved/transparent? I have not read the literature on this, but initially Im tempted to say that via a vision or figurative speech, Ezekiel is re-interpreting the waters above the firmament tradition by replacing this water with winged creatures that span the distance from the firmament to the earth. waters that [be] above the heavens.". (with thin sheets of metal):beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, Is Rachel dead OR alive when Joseph has his dream? disconnect between the apparent age of the stars and the universe and the (Genesis 6:16 KJV). And there was evening and there was morninga second day. 2) Its interesting to note how both the descriptions in Ezekiel and Exodus interject a bit epistemological uncertaintyonly naturalby saying what they saw was like (prefix ke) or the likeness of (demuth)the language of the genre of vision literature. physical universe - outer space as we call it: "And God said, Let there be lights in the " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven .". and to be praised and exalted above all for ever. And the evening and the morning were the second Author of The Gnostic Notebook series, stand-up comedian, and Gnostic. raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in with all the fulness of God." How did they obtain their current domed shape? And the evening and the morning were the second day." the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic Genesis says that the firmament "separated the water under the expanse from the water above it" (Genesis 1:7). 15 Instances - Page 1 of 1 - Sort by Book Order - Feedback, "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." Genesis 1:6 KJV, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" Genesis 1:14 KJV, "And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies." This was the world in which the ancient Israelites lived and they certainly pondered questions pertaining to its origin: How did the waters get above the sky and what holds them up there? 34Blessed art thou in the firmament of heaven: and above all to be praised and glorified for ever. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must therefore be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. which is followed by the second thing, "to (Gen 1:20 KJV). heavens structure. "ABOVE" the firmament? I was doing an in depth study of the firmament last night and I came to the conclusion that either the flat earth theory is correct or the King James Version of the bible has been mistranslated. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." (Deuteronomy 10:14) "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also , with all that therein is ." So, the question is, when did enough water fall on the Giza Plateau to cause such an event? 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:20 KJV, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Psalms 2:4 and 11:4 are not detailed, but they mention that God sits in the heavens and has a temple there. This book is a reproduction of that original, which has been scanned and cleaned by state-of-the-art publishing . vs Ex 6:2-3), #77. Ezekiel 1:25 KJV, "And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above." 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